Ah, thanks! I'd forgotten about that.
Yes, they are absolutely the same people.
No, they aren't. Their bodies (genes) and names are the same but no more.
It doesn't make any difference.. so what?
I can't vote because...
Hypothetically, yes. I have my suspicions but no firm reason to believe that this "now" is the only one we get. If that's the case, than of course, a new eternity comes with each "present" you get to experience. The question then becomes, can you become aware of your previous "nows," and all the ramifications of that stuff. Again, I have my suspicions, but nothing that would count as evidence of anything specific, which is why I try to get the most out of this now. It seems the pragmatic thing to do.
Matt, I got your Zn reference by the way. I forget nothing about "the Dish." I was as impressed with it as a weapon as Roland was and loved that it came complete with a great story.
I love that. I totally agree and I believe this is a great way to perceive lifeAh, but with every now comes a new eternity, no?
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
have you ever heard the song "The windmills of my mind?
I really like this topic, you are all so delightfully enlightened, I am proud of you all. I agree with you all,
Brice, your amazingly spot on as usual.
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
Linda, you're bringing harmony again...
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Any Tower-related stuff is fun for me to talk about, but it's the metaphysical questions like this one and some of the others we've been on about lately that intrigue me the most. I enjoy questions where there is no definitive answer, just everybody's individual interpretations.
and the name of the game is perception !!
" I believe in .....EVERYTHING! "
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
It's very cool to have these discussions and realise that a thousand stories are lurking within this one tale, just depending on how you personally perceived it
That is so true, I have dedicated myself to going through and listening to them all again now just because of the ideas this brings to mind.
Its amazing, exactly what I wanted for this site.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
Whilst looking for Tower Connections in Insomnia, I came across a passage where Lois asks Clotho and Lachesis where people go when they die. The answer they are given is very pertinent to this discussion; the doctors simultaneously reply,
"Everywhere."
"Other worlds than these."
Which concurs with the notion that they can be the same Eddie and Jake, much as the Jake that died after being pushed under a car by Mort was the same jake Roland dropped, who was the same Jake killed by Bryan Smith etc.
It's not reincarnation, because you are not entirely reborn - you move on .
Excellent find Lisa!
Cheers Infact, I'd forgotten (inaccurate Patrcik Danville prophecy aside ) what an excellent guide book Insomnia is, for the metaphysical nature of the Tower.
Indeed, which is why it gets frequent re-reads from me. I know King never intended to fully pull back the curtain and "explain" all the metaphysics of his multiverse, but I love it anytime he gives it a try, and Insomnia is among the richest examples [not to mention just being a good story].
Could you go look in the discussion thread (it's titled Lois's green man) for the Insomnia Tower Connections page - I posted a question there you might be able to help with (Not the green man question.)
will look for it now
I have just added a poll. I have read many interesting opinions but I don't know which group is bigger... so here is a poll.
Roland would have understood.
Good idea Letti, I voted yes, they are the same.