Do you believe in it?
Yes, I do.
No, I don't.
Do you believe in it?
Roland would have understood.
It's from a novel, it ain't real.
Okay but we all know that ka is something like fate.. isn't it?
A path you have to step on and you have no choice..
Roland had his own word for it and we have ours.
Roland would have understood.
I was being a smarty....your question was only if I believed in Ka.
I do not believe in fate.
I voted yes because even though I have taken a lot of flack about it over the years. I totally believe in fate.
I could have saved Sarah Conner a whole lot of trouble.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
Hahaha. Poor, poor Sarah Connor.
I think everything we do is based off of free will. I am not one to put a lot of stock in fate.
you're solid gold // i'll see you in hell
I think its because I am old and about to die
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
I tend to be torn on it. Some days I am pretty Nihilistic, and don't think that anything matters, has any basis, or any purpose. Other days, I believe in destiny, true love, finding "the one" and a higher purpose, all which can be exemplified in the concept of Ka.
There's one hole in every revolution, large or small. And it's one word long.. people. No matter how big the idea they all stand under, people are small and weak and cheap and frightened. It's people that kill every revolution.
Yes, I think that at least some parts of our lives are ruled by Ka. Many things we can control/affect with free will etc... but some aspects of our lives (different for everyone) fall into the realm of Ka.
Thanks Letti. It was mostly a joke but I do believe that I become more spiritual and open as I age.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
I felt it was a joke Matt but I had to write something.
Roland would have understood.
Ka is based in spirituality, and it isn't conventional thought, so I'd say it fits the bill for spiritual and open.
There's one hole in every revolution, large or small. And it's one word long.. people. No matter how big the idea they all stand under, people are small and weak and cheap and frightened. It's people that kill every revolution.
Any attempt of man to understand where his place in the universe is or how that universe works is fundamentally based in spirituality. I can't see how believing in personal God and man's free will is any less spiritual than believing in ka.
Then, I don't think "unconventional" can work as a synonym for "open". One can be (and often is) close-minded, intolerant, bigoted and biased following any "unconventional" belief (see history and practice of sects and "spiritual" communities)
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just meant in my own little way Jean, not as a general comparison to other folks.
Just more open and spiritual in my own little life.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
ah, but I wasn't making a personal argument! I was only trying to define our categories, which I think necessary before (or during) any serious talk; and any ka discussion will develop into a philosophical talk, as the experience has already shown
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Totally.
I just try to keep my comments in the serious stuff to my own prespective as opposed to generalizing how others should or shouldn't feel.
To answer your question though, I don't think believing in fate would make a person more open and/or spiritual at all. I just use those broad terms as a way to describe how it makes me feel.
The whole thing is probably lack of vocabulary on my part.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
I voted yes, but I think free will is a factor also.
Ka + rma = Karma
You can bet your house that I indeed believe in Karma.
"And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...
You dare not."
Mi him en tow
Mi tow can de lach.
I voted yes because many times in my life I've looked back and was able to trace the path I was on; it seemed as though I WERE led to the place I ended up...thus, fate or Ka. Yet I had to make the decisions that kept me on that path, thus free will. It's a tough question, but in general I do believe things happen for a reason.
The rose speaks of love silently, in a language known only to the heart.
I don't believe in the concept of fate. I read Ka in the series as "whatever will be will be", not as a result of the function of a hidden machine. Obviously the series has license to use a more prophetic scope but it also uses a lot of manipulation of events and characters by other characters.
A trillion billion free choices is what brings about events, and zero of it is pre-ordained. For every result that seems like it 'was meant to be', there are a thousand that don't.
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
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I know Jean has the most belief in ka of all of us...
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Personally I believe there are a lot of forces that humankind is a part of but that are beyond us also and that one of those forces is "ka" or "destiny" or one of variety of other names.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah