Nah, I don't think I've ever talked about it here. I just didn't like it ( Batman Begins ). I mean, it was better than a lot of the other Batman movies, but that's not saying much since so many of those were real stinkers ( IMHO ).
Christopher Nolan
Alfred Hitchcock
Nah, I don't think I've ever talked about it here. I just didn't like it ( Batman Begins ). I mean, it was better than a lot of the other Batman movies, but that's not saying much since so many of those were real stinkers ( IMHO ).
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Since I've expanded on this in countless other threads, I'll just say that both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are much, much more than simply 'good comic book/batman movies'.
path - I was actually talking about perspective. I mean, I love Nolan just fine when I am face to face with him, but as soon as I take two steps away in any direction, he is placed into a bigger picture, and gets instantly eclipsed by a few dozen others. (as pablo said)
Whoever - producers or promoters or distributors, or the whole way the cultural policy in a given country is established - has mastered the subtle art of manipulating this perspective has nothing to do with directing in particular, or filmmaking in general.
ETA: the second passage of this post has nothing to do with Nolan, it is part of a larger discussion between path and me.
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The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Remember, Remember, The Fifth of November, The Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot.
The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Remember, Remember, The Fifth of November, The Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot.
I thought we were talking about the psychology of "people remembering what they saw last." My point was that filmmaking generally depends upon this more than literature does. I mean, I know that some films exist which are for people with higher levels of retention, but does the whole artform tend to encourage that? To have full perpective, surely we must consider an even bigger picture than the body of all films in existence. One greater than any of them might be imagined, but it doesn't get made without courting an audience. Every great director has gone through that in one way or another.
As is the case with anything, this would depend on the individual, would it not ? Although I love both mediums to death, I prefer - by the slightest of margins - the power of imagery to words, which is presumably why films tend to get burn brighter and longer in the retina of my mind's eye than novels and their words. So in this case, the opposite is true for me.
Great discussion though.
I have voted Hitchcock in this round and Nolan in the semi's, but neither of them are actually my favourite directors or who I would give the accolade "Greatest Director Of All Time", were I to pick from all the films I have ever seen. there's no need to feign an apology Pablo, but unless it's agreed before the start of the tournament that we are all to vote in that particular way, as the contestants are eliminated people are simply going to vote for who they've enjoyed...and why not? Surely it's the point of cinema after all?
I may be wrong but I felt like you were orginally directing that at me, as when I voted Nolan last round I made comment on how I'd recently watched his films.
If so, I'm slightly offended that you imply I have low levels of retention! I watched Nolan's films recentley so I could make a more informed vote as I hadn't seen any of them except TDK prior to the poll. I'm not a Kubrick fan, therefore I went with Nolan because, for example, I vastly prefer The Prestige over A Clockwork Orange, which to me is very overrated.
It's preference, not an inability to compare over time.
I definitely agree with this...
the previous Batman movies were good comic book/batman movies... well, some of them... the first one, with Keaton, for example.
The Dark Knight and Batman Begins were far superior in my mind than those others...
...but Nolan needs to be around longer to have a greater impact on me I think.
Buddy, you think you look strong? You’re wearing a cape.
A primary contention point amongst his more level headed detractors. Luckily he's still at a very early stage in his film making career, with many more years togo and plenty more great films to make. It certainly bodes well for us , the fans, that he's operating at such a high level at this point.
certainly...
let us hope he is not a fad that will just vanish
Buddy, you think you look strong? You’re wearing a cape.
Thanks. But that's not really what I was saying...
This is!
In fact, it's been explicitly stated that this contest was deliberately not entitled the Greatest Director of All Time.
Which is really bigger and more important: all of history or this present moment?
Um, would you be even more offended if I confessed that I wasn't thinking of you at all?
Well if it's about who's the best director at the present moment, then Hitchcock is ineligible. And still, I don't think Nolan presently is the best anyway. Again, my opinion.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion; you might even be right. I'm just hoping that everyone walks away from this game feeling good about the community.
See, that's just it , this isn't 'just a game' to me, IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH.
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Hitchcock. That's who *I* voted for.
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