I can't get it out of my head that Patrick Danville is just another alias for Walter/Flagg/Ageless Stranger. Tell me how that is impossible. Thanks!
Somebody please debunk this for me
I can't get it out of my head that Patrick Danville is just another alias for Walter/Flagg/Ageless Stranger. Tell me how that is impossible. Thanks!
Last edited by zadok; 12-13-2007 at 07:41 AM. Reason: Spoilers!!!
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It's impossible because they've appeared as seperate characters in the same book, DT7.
Have you finished the series?Originally Posted by zadok
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
So what? He did so in The Gunslinger.
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Yessir.Have you finished the series?
There are other worlds than these...
I never even imagined that the two could be the same. Why would you think so?
That may be a good place to start
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Patrick is the mute artist Roland meets and defeats the CK with. This happens way after Walter is killed by Mordred. Two different people on two different sides. One white, one red
Boy this is a first. Just curious Zadok, what gives you this idea?
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
It's not "proof" per se, but it seems very unlikely that Joe "Dandelo" Collins would have been able to subdue Walter as easily as he did Patrick.
VERY unlikely.
I never even imagined that the two could be the same. Why would you think so?
That may be a good place to start
Roland rejects the "help" from Insomnia - where Patrick's "false prophecy" is made.
Patrick had his tongue removed like Walter did.
Roland is very angry with him for no real reason.
Walter is afraid of "an accounting" if he were to climb the Dark Tower - Patrick is afraid once they reach it.
Walter has the power to raise people from the dead - why not himself?
Walter secretly wants to kill the Crimson King - Danville does it.
He is the only one left with Roland at the end, we are told we don't know what happens to him after that next day other than he was "on the road".
Roland starts out again in the desert chasing Walter who is miles ahead of him.
Walter tells Roland in the desert "he already stands so close to the Tower that worlds turn about his head".
There may be others that I am forgetting...
Edit to add: Patrick's painting of llamrei dead.
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I figured they were in on it together.
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hmmmm...interesting stuff there.
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Just one of my many various and sundry thoughts...
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Possible, though I'm not sure Dandelo would have laid down his life for Walter's plans, though I suppose theoretically Walter could resurrect him. I still disagree Zadok, but this is very interesting...I figured they were in on it together.
I'm far from sure about it myself, feel free to disagree.Possible, though I'm not sure Dandelo would have laid down his life for Walter's plans, though I suppose theoretically Walter could resurrect him. I still disagree Zadok, but this is very interesting...I figured they were in on it together.
I don't think Dandelo's death was part of the plan (if he and Walter were in on it together). But who was that man in the picture supposed to be? (the one with the dead horse)
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It's definitely an intriguing theory because I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I read your first post. I am currently re-reading DT-6, and will give this theory some serious thought when I get to DT-7 again. It actually melds well with Matt's theory that Walter is trying to help Roland.
Flagg also got his eyes removed. If Flagg's eyes were to magically regrow, then why not his tongue?
Because is Patrick is an incompetent boob, not because he's Roland's archnemesis. Roland was also pissed off at Oy at the end for no real reason as well. Doesn't mean Oy's evil as well.
I don't recall Walter being afraid of the Tower, but even so, being afraid of the pinnacle of all existence isn't a rarity.
If that's true, then how come he hasn't resurrected every enemy that Roland has killed? He resurrected one person, and that person came back in an almost zombie-like state.
Walter wants to kill the Crimson King so he can usurp his power. If Walter WAS Patrick, once the main threat was out of the way he'd kill Roland, take his guns and enter the Tower. Not walk off.
So?
What does this have to do with your Patrick connection?
So let me get this straight...
Walter is killed by Mordred. After having his eyes and tongue ripped out, the rest of his body is devoured soon after.
Walter resurrects himself in the form of Patrick Danville. He was able to regrow most of his body, but for some reason, he can't grow back his tongue.
He allies himself with Dandelo, and waits for Roland to arrive, so he can intercept Roland's ka-tet.
Upon doing so, he erases the Crimson King...and walks away, leaving Roland to enter the Tower for himself.
I don't buy it. There are far too many contradictions and inconsistencies to be explained.
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Or does it...dum dum duuuuuuuuum
So, earthlings..basically urm...end of the world...Here Come The Drums!
Oy's the fucking Antichrist.
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No he didn't. Walter and Flagg are two seperate people.So what? He did so in The Gunslinger.
No, they're the same. By the last book there's really no doubt about that.
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Both of them are killed seperately though!
Did I miss something?
We are discussing that very question in another thread....Twinner thread.
When was Flagg killed before DT 7? He always escaped until then.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
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