12 Monkeys is now 11 Monkeys
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Just need one vote for 12 Monkeys to tie, two to win!
As much as I love T2, Twelve Monkeys is exactly the kind of time travel story that I adore. Straightforward and yet complex, well-thought through, no tricks or moments that leave you scratching your head and thinking, "hang on...", (Looper, I'm looking at you,) and that's very tricky to find in the genre. On top of that is a really great mystery story and some pretty cool characters. Couldn't resist voting for it, as it's exactly the kind of time travel story that I want to write.
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Based on the sales figures and industry recognized achievements T2 is the obvious choice.
bah gawd now it's a tie!
I voted for T2, obviously!
and we need more 12 Monkeys votes!!!
shit, I so wish I could get my former eloquence back for five minutes!
the only thing I can say now is: Guys, it's a damn good film!!! It's one of the best films bears have seen in their long, eventful, filled with movie-watching life
just... remember the man on the street. Remember the airport. Remember the graffiti. Remember Madeleine Stowe's voice, for God's sake!
(that, not talking about the cinematography, the story, the ideas, the layers, the emotions... the pure genius of it)
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Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In case of a tie, the movie with the most posts in favor of in the body of this thread will be declared the winner!
Any posts after 12:15 PST (time thread closes) will NOT be counted.
when you count, don't forget that bears are many (legion, in fact)Originally Posted by fernandito
DD: stop fucking around and DO IT!! I've been waiting since forever
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I assume posts from unique members. So if I had two posts favoring 12M, that'd count as one.
T2 T2 T2 T2.... come on.. this should never have gotten to a tie! Bruce Wilis over Arnie??????????????????
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The critics and fans are not always right however I would like to put these *stats out there:
T2
Academy Awards Nominations
Total Nominations: 6
Total Wins: 4
Editing
Cinematography
Makeup (WIN)
Visual Effects (WIN)
Sound (WIN)
Sound Editing (WIN)
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $204,843,345 39.4%
+ Foreign: $315,000,000 60.6%
= Worldwide: $519,843,345
12 Monkeys
Academy Awards Nominations
Supporting Actor: Brad Pitt
Costume Design
Total Nominations: 2
Total Wins: 0
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $57,141,459 33.8%
+ Foreign: $111,698,000 66.2%
= Worldwide: $168,839,459
*Stats and info provided by boxofficemojo
That should end all discussion right there.... and lets be honest guys... 12 Monkeys is NOT cult status nor timeless like T2!
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excuse me? Are we voting the Academy Awards or the best Sci-Fi according to .org?
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Twelve Monkeys by far. Much more creative and visual appealing!
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I love 12 Monkeys, but there is nothing in that film more visually appealing than the kind of things you'll see in T2. Whatever things 12M might have an edge on, SFX is certainly not one of them!
you know, of course, feverish, that the day bears will take SFX into account while appreciating a film will be the day the Earth not only stands still, but turns the other way?I love 12 Monkeys, but there is nothing in that film more visually appealing than the kind of things you'll see in T2. Whatever things 12M might have an edge on, SFX is certainly not one of them!
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh but of course!you know, of course, feverish, that the day bears will take SFX into account while appreciating a film will be the day the Earth not only stands still, but turns the other way?I love 12 Monkeys, but there is nothing in that film more visually appealing than the kind of things you'll see in T2. Whatever things 12M might have an edge on, SFX is certainly not one of them!
SFX's by themselves are often mere window dressing... however in this case, the SFX are an integral component in selling the illusion of a relentless, unstoppable killing machine that not even a force of nature like Arnold can defeat. A film like this is only as good as its villain, and T2 succeeds with flying colors in this regard because of the work that went into crafting its big baddie.
hear, hear!!!
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since when do the box office and awards make a classic? Plenty of all-time great films failed at the box office and/or didn't fare well at the Oscars or other awards. Doesn't mean anything.
Precisely what I mean. Precisely.
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
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Agree.... look at Shawshank... it was a dud at the box office... BUT it is a reason in a dead tie to sway a certain way...
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I feel those stats are a good indicator. They certainly do not tell the whole story or provide every bit of information however they do provide insight as to what the industry felt about the film(s) and how the general public felt about the film(s).
Personal feelings and opinions can buck the system every time. I did not think 12 Monkeys was very good whereas I thought T2 was.
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