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Best Sci-fi Tournament - Round 3 Group H
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Well Predator for damn sure...
but I'm having trouble deciding between Dark City, Minority Report, and Total Recall. All exceptional sci fi films in their own right.
Bahhh..... must think on this a bit.
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Total Recall and, of course:
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Originally Posted by
DoctorDodge
Total Recall and, of course:
:clap:
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Minority Report and Dark City.
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Double serving of PKD for me.
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Total Recall
Star Trek
sk
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Dark City
Minority Report
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In keeping with my current av I picked Predator and Total Recall
"Recall, Recall, Recall!"
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Need more Dark City love.
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Originally Posted by
pablo
Need more Dark City love.
Ask and you shall receive!
Predator
Dark City
Very compelling group!
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Wow. I really like or love all 6 films. I must ponder...
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If Dark City and Minority Report go I think I'll be officially out of favourites that don't contain Xenomorphs :/
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Total Recall
Predator
Easy.
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Man, I can't believe Total Recall is going to overtake both Minority Report and Dark City. The mind boggles.
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PKD taking out PKD, seems fair lol.
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Not for Total Recall. It's a good movie, but that's about it. Also, two Arnold movies. Seems people tend to pick the more "fun" choices rather than artistic or acclaimed ones. Which doesn't have to be two different categories.
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How weird would it be if the final two choices are Alien and Predator, then we could have a real life Alien Vs. Predator!
(just fyi, I really hope Predator isn't one of the final two choices)
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Originally Posted by
pablo
Not for Total Recall. It's a good movie, but that's about it. Also, two Arnold movies. Seems people tend to pick the more "fun" choices rather than artistic or acclaimed ones. Which doesn't have to be two different categories.
I hear ya. And I'm not sure if its so much about people voting for fun sci fi as it is about voting for sci fi that leaves a lasting impression. A mind bender like TR - with its trippy narrative and mind fucking imagery - is more likely to leave an imprint over something like MR that plays it relatively safe by SF standards.
And Predator is dope, OK. (Here he goes again lol) Casting Arnold was a master stroke. Humanity is used to be being the ultimate hunter, so to tell a sci fi centric story about a man mountain like Arnold being outwitted, out muscled, and toyed with in a game of cat and mouse enhances the menacing aspect of the alien. Many stories extra terrestrials usually paint them as feral creatures that will attack anything on sight, or as a species hell bent on world domination. Predator(s) harbor no such characteristics -- they hunt and kill for sport; they are very cold, calculating, precise and love to taunt their prey. ("Over here" "Anytime") A very different kind of terror. Plus explosions and shit.
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fernandito
I hear ya. And I'm not sure if its so much about people voting for fun sci fi as it is about voting for sci fi that leaves a lasting impression. A mind bender like TR - with its trippy narrative and mind fucking imagery - is more likely to leave an imprint over something like MR that plays it relatively safe by SF standards.
And Predator is dope, OK. (Here he goes again lol) Casting Arnold was a master stroke. Humanity is used to be being the ultimate hunter, so to tell a sci fi centric story about a man mountain like Arnold being outwitted, out muscled, and toyed with in a game of cat and mouse enhances the menacing aspect of the alien. Many stories extra terrestrials usually paint them as feral creatures that will attack anything on sight, or as a species hell bent on world domination. Predator(s) harbor no such characteristics -- they hunt and kill for sport; they are very cold, calculating, precise and love to taunt their prey. ("Over here" "Anytime") A very different kind of terror. Plus explosions and shit.
I totally agree with this. On both counts! :thumbsup:
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Dark City has much more mindfucky imagery than Total Recall, I think.
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What?! Hell nahhhhh. There are two or three scenes in TR that are much trippier than anything found in DC.
I mean, the shit that you see in TR is the kind of thing you can only come up with if you were under the spell of LSD, which PKD most certainly was lol.
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divemaster
Wow. I really like or love all 6 films. I must ponder...
Went with Dark City (never really in doubt on that one), and for the second choice went with Star Trek II.
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Dark City is one of the best films ever made. No other film in this poll I can say that about, even Minority Report, which I also really like. There is no other film in existence like Dark City, in both look and plot.
Pablo, I agree with you. Not so much that the movies are 'fun' but are their favourites. I still maintain that the word 'Best' in the contest nixes favouritism. Some movies I really, really like haven't gotten my votes because there are better movies that aren't necessarily favourites of mine. I know I'm almost entirely out of movies to vote for that don't have Xenomorphs in them. Not saying I won't like any of the films in the last couple rounds, but there aren't many I'll think deserve the title of Best Science Fiction Film of all the Times. The horror tournament ended up the same for me as this tournament is shaping up to end. I think I'll have to watch Blade Runner/2001 this week so I can hope to still have some dogs left in this race :/
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You haven't seen 2001, Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now...
Bro who am I even talking to right now
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It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
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Originally Posted by
Mattrick
It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
They've been marinating for over 45 years. I'm pretty sure the flavors have had enough time to meld.
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Originally Posted by
fernandito
You haven't seen 2001, Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now...
Bro who am I even talking to right now
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Originally Posted by
Mattrick
It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
Why am I not surprised by this? LOL! LOL! LOL! :rofl:
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Originally Posted by
Mattrick
It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
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Still Servant
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Originally Posted by
Mattrick
It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
They've been marinating for over 45 years. I'm pretty sure the flavors have had enough time to meld.
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T-Dogz_AK47
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Originally Posted by
fernandito
You haven't seen 2001, Blade Runner, or Apocalypse Now...
Bro who am I even talking to right now
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Originally Posted by
Mattrick
It's called letting them marinate. Patience is a virtue, young Padowan.
Why am I not surprised by this? LOL! LOL! LOL! :rofl:
Matts, I try to be supportive, I really do, but then you say some really bizarre things. How can you even vote here, much less spout purported informed opinions, when you haven't even seen some of the key films?
"Patience is a virtue, young Padowan".
WTF does that even mean? You haven't seen 2001, and you're voting for "Best Sci-Fi of all time"? Even if you hate it, you have to have viewed it first. Sorry, my friend but as it stands your vote/opinion means "Squat". You're coming across as a real "Poser" IMO. You can fix it though. Just get busy!!
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Merlin1958
Matts, I try to be supportive, I really do, but then you say some really bizarre things. How can you even vote here, much less spout purported informed opinions, when you haven't even seen some of the key films?
"Patience is a virtue, young Padowan".
WTF does that even mean? You haven't seen 2001, and you're voting for "Best Sci-Fi of all time"? Even if you hate it, you have to have viewed it first. Sorry, my friend but as it stands your vote/opinion means "Squat". You're coming across as a real "Poser" IMO. You can fix it though. Just get busy!!
Awww shit! That made me laugh out loud!!! LOL! LOL! LOL! :emot-roflolmao:
I tried to give you rep points for that post Bill, but unfortunately it won't let me. Apparently, I have to "spread it around" a bit first. LOL!
You definitely have a busy schedule ahead of you Mattrick. Even though you were practically holding court over on the Group E thread and lecturing me about the virtues of old classic movies, you still haven't watched Citizen Kane yet! :evil:
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T-Dogz_AK47
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Originally Posted by
Merlin1958
Matts, I try to be supportive, I really do, but then you say some really bizarre things. How can you even vote here, much less spout purported informed opinions, when you haven't even seen some of the key films?
"Patience is a virtue, young Padowan".
WTF does that even mean? You haven't seen 2001, and you're voting for "Best Sci-Fi of all time"? Even if you hate it, you have to have viewed it first. Sorry, my friend but as it stands your vote/opinion means "Squat". You're coming across as a real "Poser" IMO. You can fix it though. Just get busy!!
LOL! LOL! LOL! :emot-roflolmao:
You definitely have a busy schedule ahead of you Mattrick. Even though you were practically holding court over on the Group E thread and lecturing me about the virtues of old classic movies, you still haven't watched
Citizen Kane yet! :evil:
Mattrick: Okay, I am now a member of the academy and we are going to award "Best films of all time".
Academy "How many films have you viewed?
Mattrick: "Not many, I haven't seen "Casablanca", Citizen Kane", "Gone with the Wind", "Titanic" or, many of the other contenders, but I'm good to go"!!! My opinion counts because.....I'm from, Canada and I like going to the movies and telling folks why they should, or shouldn't enjoy films. Since, I just view what I like and pass myself off as an expert by using clever "film school" phrases I've picked up over the years. Let's do this!!
Academy: "How did you get nominated and selected for this position"?
Mattrick: "I'm from, Canada and I like going to the movies"!!!
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It's very hard to see every film in the tournament, classics included. Seeing 2001 isn't a prerequisite for voting and evaluating other Sci-Fi films. It's not like Matt is discounting or putting down the films he hasn't seen, he just hasn't seen them. I've seen tons of films in my life, but there are more than a few I've yet to watch. Granted, most of them are a little more obscure. I've pretty much seen the more popular/classic films in the tournament.
I'm sure Matt will get around to seeing all those films, in the meantime I don't think he should be discredited for not having seen them.
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Still Servant
It's very hard to see every film in the tournament, classics included. Seeing 2001 isn't a prerequisite for voting and evaluating other Sci-Fi films. It's not like Matt is discounting or putting down the films he hasn't seen, he just hasn't seen them. I've seen tons of films in my life, but there are more than a few I've yet to watch. Granted, most of them are a little more obscure. I've pretty much seen the more popular/classic films in the tournament.
I'm sure Matt will get around to seeing all those films, in the meantime I don't think he should be discredited for not having seen them.
Fair enough, but he hasn't just "not seen them" he is spouting very specific opinions on all the films and he hasn't even viewed them. I'm with you, I want to give a guy a chance, but don't pose as "Roger Ebert" and you haven't even seen the film. Not to mention voted in this contest. That is very wrong, IMHO. Am I off base?
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You know, Mattrick's attempt to sound like a sophisticated intellectual and become 'Roger Ebert' of The Dark Tower forum, without first possessing any empirical knowledge of the films he is preaching about or actually having an original thought of his own, kind of reminds me of this classic scene in Good Will Hunting, where Matt Damon roasts a first year Harvard grad for regurgitating Gordon Wood...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZ0Y4rvz6E
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Y'all can dump on Mattrick all you want in these threads, but as far as the topic of older films being "dated" and newer acting styles being all that and old acting styles being the suxxors, he's completely on target and T-Dogz_AK47 is so, hmmm, I won't say "wrong" b/c it's subjective; how about "misguided" that it defies all sense. I'd rather read Mattrick's opinion of film quality any day over someone who sweeps decades of film into the dumpster b/c they "look dated."
Even though I may disagree with Mattrick on any given film (Goodfellas? really?), at least I have some respect form where he's coming from.
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divemaster
Y'all can dump on Mattrick all you want in these threads, but as far as the topic of older films being "dated" and newer acting styles being all that and old acting styles being the suxxors, he's completely on target and T-Dogz_AK47 is so, hmmm, I won't say "wrong" b/c it's subjective; how about "misguided" that it defies all sense. I'd rather read Mattrick's opinion of film quality any day over someone who sweeps decades of film into the dumpster b/c they "look dated."
Even though I may disagree with Mattrick on any given film (Goodfellas? really?), at least I have some respect form where he's coming from.
And you're good with that even though he has yet to see the film(s) he is passing judgement on? More power to you, my friend. In which case, these votes are a farce and not even worth the time to conduct them IMHO. Knock yourselves out, boys. I'm a goner.
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Ricky
Breathe, everyone.
:lol: For real.
How is it a farce just because one person may or may not be qualified to vote (or not vote) on a particular film because he hasn't seen it? That's just one person, it shouldn't make the whole tournament that people are working very hard on and that everybody is enjoying null and void.
I'd have to go back and read his comments again, but I'm pretty sure he's speaking in generalities on the films you're referring to. There are some aspects of some films that have become common knowledge over the decades. One doesn't have to actually see a certain film to have an educated commentary on said film. There are exceptions of course. It all depends on the subject.
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I made no comment whatsoever on Mattrick's "judgment" or voting on films he may or may not have seen. My comment focused on the general attitude of "old films are cliched" or old acting styles are "dated" and therefore of lesser quality (e.g., "Best Picture films of the 40's, 50's and 60's just cannot compare to Best Picture films of the 70's, 80's and 90's."; and the acting in Casablanca is "appalling"; Citizen Kane is overrated and everyone knows it but is too afraid to admit it) etc. etc.
That shows a provincialism and narrowness of mindset that, to me, is just as bad for the integrity of a film quality poll (or discussion). Just write off decades of film b/c "they just seem so dated, man; loser films bummed me out."
Reminds me of the folks who refuse to watch a foreign language film b/c "the subtitles get in the way" and people talk funny and shit.