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Best Sci-Fi Tournament - Round 3, Group E
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WOW! I got first comment LOL! LOL! LOL! :D
Easy choice for me:
Return of the Jedi
Alien
Now take that shit to the bank! LOL!
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Invasion of the Body Snatchers and Donnie Darko. I'm sure Alien is going to run away with this one.
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Alien and Dredd. Love Donnie Darko though, but yeah. Gotta vote for Dredd.
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WTF! Donnie Darko is leading Return of the Jedi.... :wtf:
Okay, can someone please explain how the fuck Donnie Darko can be better than Return of the Jedi?
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Return of the Jedi isn't really that great, and this is coming from a huge SW fan. Easily the weakest of the trilogy.
Voted for Alien and Starship Troopers.
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I'm sorry, but regarding Return of the Jedi, just gotta have to quote one of my favourite Spaced moments:
"What about the Ewoks? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!"
"Yeah, but Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like...fucking Shaft!"
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Donnie Darko got to a much deeper part of me that Return of the Jedi, Darko still resonates with me while Jedi was just fun and not that memorably, Jedi is much more of a shallow delight in my opinion
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T-Dogz_AK47
WTF! Donnie Darko is leading Return of the Jedi.... :wtf:
Okay, can someone please explain how the fuck Donnie Darko can be better than Return of the Jedi?
Because Donnie Darko is awesome and original. AS for Return of the Jedi...I'll let Hurley explain it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQJ_3Gnpso
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fernandito
Return of the Jedi isn't really that great, and this is coming from a huge SW fan. Easily the weakest of the trilogy.
Voted for Alien and Starship Troopers.
Ditto this. Same vote.
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Went with Starship Troopers and Body Snatchers.
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T-Dogz_AK47
WTF! Donnie Darko is leading Return of the Jedi.... :wtf:
Okay, can someone please explain how the fuck Donnie Darko can be better than Return of the Jedi?
Because Donnie Darko is awesome and original. AS for Return of the Jedi...I'll let Hurley explain it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQJ_3Gnpso
Apparently Miles didn't listen well enough; "Lost" didn't end up having the tidiest ending either.
Ewoks is just cover - real reason RotJ is unpopular is because people liked the bad guys.
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Starship Troopers
Jedi
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pathoftheturtle
Ewoks is just cover - real reason RotJ is unpopular is because people liked the bad guys.
Whaaa? You lost me.
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pathoftheturtle
Ewoks is just cover - real reason RotJ is unpopular is because people liked the bad guys.
Whaaa? You lost me.
I've heard complaints about Boba Fett's death scene on more than one occasion.
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Ah! Gotcha.
You know, I can't ever recall the Fett thing bugging me that much. I mean, he was a very minor character in the grand scheme of things. I think he's just one of those characters that became much more popular than originally intended because of his great character design, and then went on to have his own comics and fan fiction etc., For those people, going back to revisit the films will always be a bitter sweet reminder of how anti climatic his end really is.
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pathoftheturtle
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fernandito
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pathoftheturtle
Ewoks is just cover - real reason RotJ is unpopular is because people liked the bad guys.
Whaaa? You lost me.
I've heard complaints about Boba Fett's death scene on more than one occasion.
Boba Fett? Death Scene? He got out that Sarlac to star in The Mandolorian Armour. Jedi just isn't that great. The Ewoks make the fearsome, indomitable Galactic Empire seem like the most inept military of all time, what we should fear we don't because Lucas wanted to whore himself out to merchandising to kids and make some extra coin. It's unpopular because it was like watching Lucas turn tricks for the first time. That and the twin dynamic which obviously wasn't thought of when Luke revelled in that incestuous kiss.
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Plus Death Star No. 2 which just seemed tired at that point. And then it gets rebuild with the EXACT SAME VULNERABLE SPOT AS THE FIRST ONE. Inept military indeed.
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Aaah, stop ruining my childhood.
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1. Pay attention at least. Come on; when completed, second Death Star would not have been vulnerable. On being tired anyway, you have a point. Real weapons get produced repeatedly, but movies need more novelty.
2. Twins. Ok, a bit lame. But it does fit the line in Empire "There is another." and Leia receiving Luke's telepathic S.O.S. at the end.
3. Watch "Making of the Ewok Adventure" and then tell me again that Lucas didn't sincerely love the damn things; I defy you. He may have been wrong, he may have been the only one, but there it is.
4. Besides, did you say "first time"?! Dude, I already had action figures for every alien with even one second in the cantina. He started looong before, and he didn't have to make them cute for money. An army of worms with different worm costumes would have sold a million.
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It's very good to see that Alien and Return of the Jedi are firmly back in the lead... :clap: :clap:
Indeed, that should be the natural order of things! :thumbsup:
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3. Watch "Making of the Ewok Adventure" and then tell me again that Lucas didn't sincerely love the damn things; I defy you. He may have been wrong, he may have been the only one, but there it is.
Michael Bay loves the hell of Transformers, doesn't mean the movies still aren't four turds in a little row.
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4. Besides, did you say "first time"?! Dude, I already had action figures for every alien with even one second in the cantina. He started looong before, and he didn't have to make them cute for money. An army of worms with different worm costumes would have sold a million.
There's a big difference between merchandising and merchandising expressly for kids. Lucus realised the only demographic he really didn't have locked down was the 4-12 year olds so he invented the Ewoks. Why shouldn't he love the Ewoks? They made him shitloads of money and spawned spinoffs. Jar Jar Binks was intended to be Ewok 2.0 but instead took the annoyingness of every Ewok and combined it into one lanky creature that killed Ahmed Best's career before it even got started. Future merchandising is never a reason to make your movies a certain way. I can't see the Cantina aliens having been created for the sole purpose of action figure sales and was more of a let's sell what we can while we can, as opposed to spending 1/4 of a film on furry marketeers.
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Yeah no shit he loved the Ewoks, they helped him make a down payment on that beach house he always wanted :lol:
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In the first draft, underestimating the Wookiees was what ended the Empire. Lucas just liked them so much that he had to put one in the first movie even if it meant giving them tech knowledge. Reverse the syllables Ee-wook. That's where they came from. That early. And I know that there was already a lock on 4-12 year olds cause I was there. I went to the first movie at, you guessed it, age 4. Was Lucas thinking of marketing when he made it? Maybe not... but it was Lucas himself who launched and built that business immediately afterward. I'm not trying to argue that the sincere-love-of-story part unquestionably redeems the industry-model-directly-traceable to Transformers 4. I'm only saying that drawing the line just after the first two movies is nonsense.
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So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
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pablo
So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
Well those films do not stand the test of time and with a contemporary viewing, they look very dated and clichéd.
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I highly disagree, sorry. They're classics because they've withstood the test if time. It's an open question whether some of the contemporary so-called classics will in 50-60 years.
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T-Dogz_AK47
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pablo
So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
Well those films do not stand the test of time and with a contemporary viewing, they look very dated and clichéd.
IMHO that is their charm. Plus if it weren't for them you wouldn't have your contemporary films. JMHO
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pablo
So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
Well those films do not stand the test of time and with a contemporary viewing, they look very dated and clichéd.
Precisely.
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fernandito
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T-Dogz_AK47
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pablo
So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
Well those films do not stand the test of time and with a contemporary viewing, they look very dated and clichéd.
Precisely.
http://i.imgur.com/WKkNdge.gif
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pablo
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fernandito
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T-Dogz_AK47
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pablo
So we're not gonna have any of these in the next round: Forbidden Planet, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Day the Earth Stood Still... Why the backlash against classic sci-fi? In an all-time tournament!
Well those films do not stand the test of time and with a contemporary viewing, they look very dated and clichéd.
Precisely.
http://i.imgur.com/WKkNdge.gif
Hahahaha, well done!
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Cute gifs aside, I must take issue with the notion that classic movies "look very dated". What does that mean? If a film was done in the 1940s or 1950s, in black and white, it was done in the style and technical abilities of that time. So now in 2014 you have to take that into account. And of course the idea that a undisputed classic like The Day the Earth Stood Still somehow does not "stand the test of time" is frankly laughable. It has a 94% critics rating on RT and is rated 7.9 on IMDB. The AFI list of the Top Ten Sci-Fi movies of all time has it at #5, with Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the original, of course) at #9: http://www.afi.com/10top10/category.aspx?cat=7
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I thought The Day the Earth Stood Still and Invasion of the Body Snatchers were very good films. I'm pretty sure I voted for them in earlier rounds. I certainly don't consider them "dated." Good movies will never be "dated."
However, for both of these movies, my initial introduction was the original written work. The short story "Farewell to the Master" and of course the Finney novel for Body Snatchers. I had read them several times prior to seeing the movies, so that is what stuck with me the most. Like I said, I enjoyed the movie versions very much, but in this round I had to pass them by.
Having said that, I LOVE LOVE LOVE Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers. Was the movie as good? No. Not from a character or philospohical standpoint. But the movie just kicked ass, man. The insectoids, the battles--that movie "goes to 11." If that makes me inconsistent (written form vs. movie), so be it.
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I've got an idea... let's remake The Day the Earth Stood Still with digital graphics and the star of The Matrix! That should be good, right?
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pablo
Cute gifs aside, I must take issue with the notion that classic movies "look very dated". What does that mean? If a film was done in the 1940s or 1950s, in black and white, it was done in the style and technical abilities of that time. So now in 2014 you have to take that into account.
That is being taken account though; It looks dated in comparison with cinema today. I'm not sure what the misunderstanding is here...
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And of course the idea that a undisputed classic like The Day the Earth Stood Still somehow does not "stand the test of time" is frankly laughable. It has a 94% critics rating on RT and is rated 7.9 on IMDB. The AFI list of the Top Ten Sci-Fi movies of all time has it at #5, with Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the original, of course) at #9:
http://www.afi.com/10top10/category.aspx?cat=7
No two groups - or websites in this case - can agree 100% on what defines "best".
I've noticed that dot com's tend to rank films through nostalgia colored lenses, they give precedence to films that did things first, or were the the inspirational genesis for other films and genres. The trend setters of their times, if you will. It's why films like Citizen Kane and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (both of which I love) almost always feature at the top of their lists even though there are thousands of objectively more 'impressive' films. Sentiment and the love of of the art of cinema and its history plays a huge role.
This conversation could probably be its own thread, in all honesty.
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Having said that, I LOVE LOVE LOVE Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers. Was the movie as good? No. Not from a character or philospohical standpoint. But the movie just kicked ass, man. The insectoids, the battles--that movie "goes to 11." If that makes me inconsistent (written form vs. movie), so be it.
That's why I voted for it too. It has some ludicrously delicious visuals, and some pretty exhilarating fight sequences. I still get chills in that scene where Michael Ironside's character looks over the barricade and sees those thousands of bugs charging up the hill, seconds away from overwhelming the exterior walls. LOVE IT.
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Well if you're starting a new thread, please realize there are different points to make about classic science fiction than about classic films in general.
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The new thread would be about films in general, not just sci fi.
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Yes, I noticed you were blaming nostalgia as a general fault in cinephiles, but there was a particular era for science fiction when fear and optimism stood in a certain fertile balance different from where culture is at this point. And even in the case of a later film like 2001... well, technically, 2001 is already long gone, lol.