What would have happened if Susan had met Cuthbert first and not Roland?
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What would have happened if Susan had met Cuthbert first and not Roland?
I think she still would have dated Roland. Although she was intrigued by Cuthbert, I think she would have soon tired of his sense of humor.
I think I would've slapped her...he's mine! :P
I think they may of had a brief fling, but it wouldn't have been love, nothing as intense as the relationship between her and Roland.
This may be a lot deeper possibility than you'd think though.
Certainly she was very immediately, and very strongly, smitten with Cuthbert when she first met him.
*goes off to booksearch*
"Then his gaze returned to her and he gave a smile of such sweetness that a confused but brilliant thought (If I'd met this one first-, it began) shot through her mind like a comet."
Maybe she would have fallen for him just as strongly as she did for Roland? .... and maybe he would have been truer to her in the long run than his Tower-Infected friend was capable of being??
I think Manof is on the right track, I personally didn't care for Susan all that much, and believe that she would have gone for Cuthbert had she met him first, or Alain, but in the end, I think it has to do with ka, and she would have ended up with Roland, who was to be the one to finalize her death sentence
I am not sure she would have fallen in love with Cuthber if they had met first (but I think it would have been absolutely possible... moreover) but I am totally sure that if Susan and Roland hadn't met on that very night they wouldn't have become lovers.
I think that night was the night when Susan needed someome so very much that was the night when she was incredibly fragile and lonely and that was the night when she realised what a decision she had made.
That was the night when she was sad and down enough to open her heart to a stranger.
Nice explaination
Probably would have been much happier with him. Cuthbert could have cried off.Quote:
Maybe she would have fallen for him just as strongly as she did for Roland? .... and maybe he would have been truer to her in the long run than his Tower-Infected friend was capable of being??
I think Susan was very trapped when she met Roland and the other guys and it would have been easy to fall in love with Cuthbert.
That right there is "ka like the wind" like her old Pa told her about.
Yeah. I don't think she could have fallen in love with anybody.
But I do think she might have fallen in love with Cut.
Cool thread idea! I am sure I can PM you with some good IF questions. :)
I think Susan was a silly little girl and she caught Roland at an age where he was not quite the true gunslinger he ended up being. Both of them were really young and they believed they found some deep, true love. I've said my views in other threads.
If she had met Cuthbert first, I think she would have "fallen madly in love" with him instead. I know my answer won't be very popular but that is what I believe. :)
CK~you think she would have gone for Los right?
When he was younger and not in his spider form..yeah, possibly. Something about glowing, crimson eyes that turns the ladies on.
He speaks the truth, I gotten numerous slaps *rubs side of face*
1. I cannot wait to get them.
2. There is a lot in what you say and you can see we agree I say it's possible or more than possible that she would have fallen in love with Cuthbert
BUT
first of all I don't think she could have fallen in love with anyone. I don't think she would have been able to love a guy without mind and realyl good and nice personality traits.
She could have been fallen in love with Cuthbert because he was a nice, handsome man who had guts and spine and he was a gentleman when he had to be and he smiled when nobody could. He remembered the face of his father.
We all agree I think that Cuthbert rocks.
Secondly I can understand those people who are not fond of Susan. Really. But I have read W&G three times or more and I had to realise again and again how valuable strong and smart she was.
She could die well.
And I think it's such a big thing... when she was on fire and her skin was burning she didn't mind anything.. can you imagine it? She was dying and she had incredible pains but she still loved Roland with all her heart and that's what she did feel.
I don't think it's natural. I think it's unique and respectable.
I don't think a light teenager love can make people so strong. And I don't think a silly chick can die to save her love and pride.
Again, you have fought your side well, you have my respect, and some of my opinion has change with the points you have stated
Thanks.
I myself needed some time to find out why I think in a different why about Susan. It was just a feeling but maybe now I could put it into words.
Me too *rubs butt* :lol:
Fair enough...but I don't agree :P I think that she would've found Cuthbert's sense of humour irritating - she was a girl with some serious responsibility on her plate (father's death, the mayor business etc) and I think she was looking for a man/boy that would make her feel safe whilst still respecting her for her independance. I think that was the exclusive attraction with Roland that she didn't share with Cuth - the attraction to Cuthbert was superficial.
For my part I can imagine that she would have loved Cuth's sense of homour. And we know that Cuthbert can be deadly serious in the important situations and conversations.
I think that it would've annoyed her the way Eddie's annoyed Roland. I don't mean she didn't have a sense of humour at all :D Just that Cuthbert's humour is his trademark - King writes it to imply its slightly over the top and thats how I think she would've felt about it.
Yes, but Roland and Eddie are very different. Their senses of homour... sky and earth! I mean... Roland is... not open enough. Roland is Roland. :)
I don't think Susan would have fallen in love with Cuthbert. I feel her love for Roland was deep and true.
I think Letti made a very good point on the last page, Susan's last, dying words while being burned to death were professing her love for Roland. This proves to me it was a strong love and not just "teenage puppy love".
Excellent thread idea by the way Letti. :D
And weren't Susan and Roland different, too? http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...wagfinger1.gif
Yes, but my point being that I don't think she'd have fallen for Cuthbert in the way she fell for Roland - and that Cuthbert's way about him (which is similar to Eddie's, hence my point about Roland and Eddie) would have been an element in why she wouldn't have liked him as much.
Love that smiley :lol:
Do you say "no way" or "not likely"?
I think she and Cuth could've copped off a few times, but nothing serious, certainly not love.
oh, I'm sure it would have been love. As great, passionate, and self-sacrificing as with Roland. With first love, it doesn't depend on the object, only on the one who falls in love because it's time, and because she (sometimes he) knows very well - from the lore - what love is supposed to be, and if the person in love is by nature whole and strong, there you are. Cuthbert, Roland, Alain, doesn't really matter.
Erin: of course she was crying, "Roland I love you". What else was she supposed to say? She was dying, it was the most important event of her life; sure she was referring to her life's strongest experience. Whether it was love for Roland or just the experience of herself in love (independently of the object) is just what is still a big question... to which we see opposite answers.
With first love, it doesn't depend on the object...?
My first oh-so-crazy love was nothing next to the second one.
Anyway I don't think she could have fallen in love with Alain.. somehow.
Yeah, I take back an earlier statement of her and Alain, I read the book yesterday, and I see why you feel the way you do Letti
I agree that she would only have ended up with Roland, though I wish it had been Cuthbert, because he would have cried off for her, but ka is ka
Letti, I have to agree with you pretty much all the way on this one.
I said above that I believe she could have fallen for Cuthbert, had she met him first, and I still believe so. But you speak fro me when you qualify that with '.. only Cuthbert...'. 'Bert was a lot deeper and truer than his 'immediate' impression might imply imho. He was indeed a Gunslinger.
Personally (& I've read WaG a good few times & love it), I really like Susan's character, not that I just don't mind her - I like her.
I don't think she had it in mind to renege on her committment (even though forced into it) to her soon-to-be-Gilly to Mayor Thorin. She fell for real for Roland, and just might well have fallen for real for 'Bert had she met him on the road that night. Had she met neither then she would have gone to Thorin's bed - sad & miserable yes, but she would have gone.
It was great that, short though it was, she found a better answer. Had Roland been more mature it might have been a better answer again, but Ka is a black wind after all.