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All those tough choices, and it comes down to a fast, simple answer.
It won't be so simple for some of the others.... myself included <_<
Simple choice for me.
same for me
No offence intended , but these are the two finals? :wtf:
http://www.empireonline.com/500/96.asp
Look at numbers 3 and 4.
:)
I am stunned, but ok....if I have to choose which one I think is the "better film" here, and I dont happen to be a fan of the films, I'd vote Star Wars. If it were on the other hand a personal choice (which film I'd rather watch) Shawshank hands down.
I know who I voted for, BUT... neither of these films is in my short list for BMOAT. Empire is in my top ten, but it ain't #1 now or ever and Shawshank is even farther down the list.
how the hell did this happen?
i demand a recount haha
These are definitely not my top two movies of all time :ninja:
me neither... but I'm still gonna vote!
About %90 of the movies that made it to the post season in our tournament are within the first 50 of Empire's Top 500 Movies of all Time. (check the link I provided above)
The Shawshank Redemption and The Empire Strikes Back are 4th and 3rd place, respectively, so this final is not as farfetched as some may think.
Empire's top 500 movies of all time is off too in my opinion. Jaws certainly ranks in the top ten since it had such a huge impact on the current movie world. It was the first huge summer blockbuster in a world without summer blockbusters. But Shawshank and Empire Strikes Back above Jaws, no. And this is coming from a HUGE Star Wars nut who can quote damn near the entire original trilogy.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is #2? and The fucking Godfather at #1?!? That list needs some serious renovations.
*snicker* yeah Clockwork and Pulp Fiction am I right ? :lol:
yeah here's my thought on that. if everythign were put aside. how they affected future movies, etc, and compared them, how would yo rate them? btw that means if night of the living dead affected so many movies, then it can be the only zombie film (unless there was an earlier oen that didn't infuence it).
If I think something is boring, I'm not gonna say it's one of the best films of all time, just because it influenced great films. that gives it a high ranking, but it's not The Shit.
(btw you can probably guess, Jaws didn't do anythign for me)
I find these as the top two a bit surprising, myself. Though I definitely see Empire in the top five, I wouldn't have placed Shawshank there at all. And let's be honest, The Godfather Part II beats the original everytime. Hands down.
I would have put Empire in my top ten for sure, but from an entertainment AND affect on the industry stand point I'm not sure where it would land. I rather think Jaws would be in the top ten as well. I wish you could have seen it Razz (heck I wish I could have too). From what I was told, Jaws had people so afraid of the water that they were scared of getting in the tub. Now THAT"S an impact. But then you've got films like Gojira and Dr. No that have created film franchises that continue to this day. Oh well.
Shawshank is my BMOAT, though I voted Empire through most of the contest.
I love Shawshank, but my love for Star Wars is stronger. So...Empire. :)
Empire wouldn't make MY top 100...or even top 1,000. :nope:
...and it is my favorite of the Star Wars movies.
But your not a big Star Wars fan Brice. Not to mention, you haven't looked at the effect on films that Star Wars and Empire had with regards to their special effects.
Oh, I've looked at it. I just don't feel it matters that much. Aesthetic is god in these types of contests for me. And I don't think I ever said I didn't like them. I actually liked this one okay. It just isn't that great IMO...or at least there are ALOT of much greater films.
Like I said, you're not a Star Wars fan. No Star Wars fan could say that "there are ALOT of much greater films". You just have to trust me on that one dude. Let me ask you though, what is YOUR number 1, favorite film of all the films you have seen. Mine is Seven Samurai, hands down and no question.
I'd have to think a bit on which was singularly my favorite.
Now I'd be curious to know what everyone would list for the their picks for "best movie of all time" since a lot of people wouldn't put these two up here, yet somehow they're the ones that made it on. I might make a thread if no one's opposed. I know there's the 50 favorite movies thread, but I know personally my top films for best movie would not necessarily be my all time favorites.
I'm starting a new thread already. Check it out, but it's going to take some thinking.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...ead.php?t=6748
Am I the only one who thinks the Star Wars movies sucked? All of them? And I'm SpaceMaN!
Shawshank is a great movie of hope and truth and yes, redemption. Just so happens that it is my favorite movie of all time, followed closely by Aladdin, (yes, that Aladdin), Blazing Saddles, See No Evil Hear No Evil, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, etc., mostly comedies, as is my taste.
What I'm wondering is why all the old school movies aren't considered BMOAT, i.e., Casablanca, Gone With The Wind, Citizen Kane, etc....
Some of those very titles were in the original vote, but didn't advance.
And no, you're not the only one who disliked Star Wars. Now if I could get your name and address so you can be eliminated from the gene pool. We don't need those genes floating around as they are obviously defective, as evidenced by your dislike of one of the greatest films in the world.:P
Ah.
I got nothing against the Star Wars films, I just didn't like the cheesy effects and how everyone made a huge deal about them, and I know people will probably hate me, and have every right to, but I'd rather watch grass grow than a Star Wars film. As for my genes, don't worry about those spreading, they have a process that prevents that.
What you must remember with regard to the special effects is how much the Star Wars films advanced effects. Nearly everything they did had never been done before and didn't have any way of being done. The effects guys literally had to invent the way they created the effects. You should watch some of the older science fiction films to get an appreciation for what Star Wars did for the film world. Add to that the marketing aspect, which was virtually nonexistent and it was a HUGE influence on the world we live in now. The "cheesy" effects that you mention were leaps and bounds beyond anything that had been done at that time.
I read something not long ago that rings true. If it was invented after you were born, it is technology; if it was invented before your birth, it's always been there as far as you're concerned. People today look at Star Wars and other groundbreaking films and say "looks like not much" because they grew up with those films being on video and have seen so much more come along that is built on the shoulders of the groundbreaking films. Those films are their barometer for advances, not the groundbreakers.
Tight race so far...
The Empire Strikes Back isn't even my favorite Star Wars movie so it can't get my vote for best movie of all time.
Unfortunately, I won't be voting in the final round. I just don't feel either film is deserving of the BMOAT title.
Star Wars is a great trilogy and Empire is the best of the bunch, but The Lord of the Rings trilogy pretty much destroys it in every category. IMO of course.
I love Shawshank, but it really shouldn't even sniff the top 50 of most lists such as these. I'm not even sure it's the best film adapted from King's material.
Well, it was fun anyway. Great Job Feev running the thread. I know it must not have been easy, but you did a real nice job.
*starts the slow crowd clap used in most films*
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I'm surprised that it came down to these two movies. I voted for Shawshank. It is in my own personal top five movies of all time so good on ya!
Thanks feev for setting this up and seeing it to the finish. Good f'n times for sures! :huglove:
Yeah, thanks Feev for putting this all together. :)
Sam, I hear you. I'm surprised by the Star Wars haters myself. The irony is that I was born in 82 and am still impressed with Empire in comparison to modern special effects. Might elaborate more on that later or might not. It would probably fall on deaf ears in this thread. :lol:
Anyways, I'm glad it came down to these two.