TGAAOAT - Round 2, Group 6

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10-16-2011 02:04 PM
Heather19

TGAAOAT - Round 2, Group 6

Robert De Niro's IMDB Page

Notable films : Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, The Godfather II, Casino
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Robin William's IMDB Page

Notable films : Good Will Hunting, Dead Poets Society, Mrs. Doubtfire, Jack, The Fisher King
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Leonardo DiCaprio's IMDB Page

Notable Films: The Departed, Inception, Shutter Island, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Titanic
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Steve Buscemi's IMDB Page

Notable films : Reservoir Dogs, The Big Lebowski, Fargo, Armageddon, Ghost World
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Henry Fonda's IMDB Page

Notable films : 12 Angry Men, The Grapes of Wrath, The Deputy, Once Upon A Time in the West, My Name is Nobody
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10-16-2011 02:13 PM
Ben Staad

I had to go with Bob. I love Robin Williams but the work of Mr. De Niro has a depth I don't think Williams has.
10-16-2011 04:52 PM
Odetta

Mr. DeNiro
10-16-2011 05:38 PM
mae

Leo.

De Niro is great but has often played De Niro.
10-17-2011 01:02 AM
DoctorDodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablo

Leo.

De Niro is great but has often played De Niro.

The same could be said for DiCaprio. Only in his case, it'd be more accurate. De Niro's most famous for either gangster or just plain ol' miserable bastard, but he's proven his versatility to me with his roles in Taxi Driver, Frankenstein and even Stardust.
10-17-2011 01:02 AM
DoctorDodge

EDIT: Bloody double post!
10-17-2011 02:52 AM
frik

Robert DeNiro

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10-17-2011 03:15 AM
Jean

Fonda. DeNiro is winning anyway...
10-17-2011 07:14 AM
fernandito

De Niro.

Some actors appear in great films, but a lot of De Niro's films are great because he is great in them.
10-17-2011 07:44 AM
pathoftheturtle

Fonda.
10-17-2011 09:28 AM
Stockerlone

Fonda
10-19-2011 01:40 AM
Mattrick

I voted Leo. I love DeNiro but his career hasn't been too hot for over a decade. His last great role was Heat what, 16 years ago? DeNiro has had great roles but considering Leo's age and how much he has in front of him...DeNiro peaked 20 years ago, Leo is just peaking now and am very much looking forward to his portrayal of Hoover.
10-19-2011 06:36 AM
Heather19

Finally decided to go with Leo.
10-19-2011 10:27 AM
Jean

now you have surprised me...
10-19-2011 10:32 AM
DoctorDodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

now you have surprised me...

Ditto, bears.
10-19-2011 10:59 AM
Heather19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

now you have surprised me...

It had to happen at some point :lol:

I was torn between him and DeNiro, but ultimately decided to go with him because I'd rather watch him in a film. It was close though.
10-19-2011 02:47 PM
pathoftheturtle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yer4L1Uhayc
10-22-2011 03:29 AM
Mattrick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zagreus

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablo

Leo.

De Niro is great but has often played De Niro.

The same could be said for DiCaprio. Only in his case, it'd be more accurate. De Niro's most famous for either gangster or just plain ol' miserable bastard, but he's proven his versatility to me with his roles in Taxi Driver, Frankenstein and even Stardust.

I don't see how it would be more accurate for DiCaprio. DeNiro is farily typecast for the most part and while there are differences in just about any given movie he's DeNiro. Which isn't a bad thing, Morgan Freeman is the same way and he's great. Eastwood as well. If you can tell me what links DiCaprio's performances in Gilbert Grape, Shutter Island, Gangs of New York, Catch Me If you Can and The Aviator I'd like to know what that is. DiCaprio is actually pretty diverse in his abilities. I think after the next twenty years have gone by and DiCaprio is still going he'll be really appreciated for how good he really is. Even with all the great performances and great movies he's done, he still gets slack and I simply don't understand it...not because he's a pretty boy because people give Brad Pitt credit. Is it Titanic? I think someone on this forum said 'he's in great movies, he doesn't make them great'. Doesn't make sense that the central character and the central actor the entire movie and cast is built around doesn't help make the movie what it is to me.
10-22-2011 11:02 AM
pathoftheturtle

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Originally Posted by Mattrick

Is it Titanic?.

Yep.
10-22-2011 11:28 AM
Heather19

But do you base his whole career on one film?
10-22-2011 12:01 PM
Brice

A very tough one for me. I love all of them. I voted for Mork.
10-23-2011 01:15 PM
pathoftheturtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Swan

But do you base his whole career on one film?

Me? No. I was sorta kidding. But I guess that, yeah, basing his career on that one film contributes to the popular bias Mattrick senses. Appears to me that judging an actor by one film is common. No less the case with stars who are judged positively thereby. I suspect that's played a big part in how this contest is going. I mean, I don't know for sure that anyone has thought "Oh, he/she 'is' (famous character)! I vote for that!" but it would make sense if more than a few have, don't you think?
10-23-2011 04:38 PM
mystima

Steve Buscemi gets my vote. Seems like he will only get two this time around
10-23-2011 05:10 PM
BROWNINGS CHILDE

I think De Niro's versitility is best demonstrated by films such as Awakenings, This Boys Life, Backdraft and Capefear. Hard to imagine the actor in these roles filling the roles in such films as Fock the Fockers.
10-23-2011 10:04 PM
Jean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Swan

But do you base his whole career on one film?

Me? No. I was sorta kidding. But I guess that, yeah, basing his career on that one film contributes to the popular bias Mattrick senses. Appears to me that judging an actor by one film is common. No less the case with stars who are judged positively thereby. I suspect that's played a big part in how this contest is going. I mean, I don't know for sure that anyone has thought "Oh, he/she 'is' (famous character)! I vote for that!" but it would make sense if more than a few have, don't you think?

I think the latter way of reasoning is justrified - unlike the former. They are not symmetrical. If anyone has been great once, it means he is great - he has already proved it. Once is proof enough, and Harper Lee is a great writer. Failure, however, doesn't prove anything, because logically no number of instances can prove the absence of something.

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Originally Posted by sloth

I think De Niro's versitility is best demonstrated by films such as Awakenings, This Boys Life, Backdraft and Capefear. Hard to imagine the actor in these roles filling the roles in such films as Fock the Fockers.

Personally, I never thought versatility was that important at all. There are actors who are versatile and there are others who represent types: in French cinema, two greatest actors ever (Alain Delon and Jean Gabin) epitomize these two different kinds, both remaining greatest actors ever (sadly, without ever having a slightest chance to get any recognition here). Let the director worry about the difference between these groups. For me it is nothing more than the difference between the tall and the small, the handsome and the ugly, a dancer and an athlete - they are different, is all, and it's up to the director/producer to fine the one who would be adequate for this particular part.
10-24-2011 05:58 AM
pathoftheturtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Swan

But do you base his whole career on one film?

Me? No. I was sorta kidding. But I guess that, yeah, basing his career on that one film contributes to the popular bias Mattrick senses. Appears to me that judging an actor by one film is common. No less the case with stars who are judged positively thereby. I suspect that's played a big part in how this contest is going. I mean, I don't know for sure that anyone has thought "Oh, he/she 'is' (famous character)! I vote for that!" but it would make sense if more than a few have, don't you think?

I think the latter way of reasoning is justrified ... If anyone has been great once, it means he is great...

But not if one assesses greatness in a superficial manner. That's the specific element of the alleged kind of reasoning which I more intended to impugn as unjustified: superficiality.
10-24-2011 06:51 PM
mae

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

Personally, I never thought versatility was that important at all. There are actors who are versatile and there are others who represent types: in French cinema, two greatest actors ever (Alain Delon and Jean Gabin) epitomize these two different kinds, both remaining greatest actors ever (sadly, without ever having a slightest chance to get any recognition here).

Well, I for one would have voted for Alain Delon. He's great. And also for Jean-Pierre Léaud, if he was nominated. His portrayal of Antoine Doinel is awesome.
10-24-2011 09:43 PM
Jean

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10-25-2011 08:00 AM
fernandito

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

Personally, I never thought versatility was that important at all...

The opposite is true for me. That's the mark of a great actor, one that's able to step outside of his or her comfort zone and still flourish.
10-25-2011 08:15 AM
DoctorDodge

Well, for me, an actor's truly great if they can make the audience feel a wide range of emotions through their powerful performance. It's one thing for an actor to move me to tears, it's another for him to make me laugh my arse off, but it's a wonderful thing if he's truly capable of pulling off both, especially if it's with a single role. This is why I voted for DeNiro over DiCaprio: DiCaprio may have played a wide variety of roles, but every single one I've seen so far have been completely serious, from start to finish, no room for making me laugh my arse off. Richard E Grant put in a mostly comic performance in Withnail & I, but it was a role not only played straight but also gave me one of the most deeply moving endings that I have ever watched. I can't think of a role where DeNiro has both moved me to tears and made me laugh my arse off in a single film, but he has achieved both seperately. I'm still waiting for the same from DiCaprio. Until that happens, I'm still convinced he's "good", at best.
10-25-2011 08:27 AM
Brice

I think there are merits in both sort of actors. I admire versatility, but isn't necessarily bad to know what you do best and focus on that either.
10-25-2011 08:30 AM
Ben Staad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brice

I think there are merits in both sort of actors. I admire versatility, but isn't necessarily bad to know what you do best and focus on that either.

Exactly! Just look at Rowan Atkinson. J/K because I actually love Mr. Bean :cowboy:
10-25-2011 08:34 AM
DoctorDodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brice

I think there are merits in both sort of actors. I admire versatility, but isn't necessarily bad to know what you do best and focus on that either.

Exactly! Just look at Rowan Atkinson. J/K because I actually love Mr. Bean :cowboy:

Guessing you're not a Blackadder fan, then? Because while the first series was admittedly similar to his Bean roles, from the 2nd series onwards it's a completely different type of comic character he played: sly, devious, and a much more craftier bastard than his usual roles.

Sorry if that sounds like having a go, I'm not, I'm just saying that, surprisingly, Atkinson really is good at more than one type of role. Oh, and the end of series 4 proves that he can be a great actor at times. Just not in films like Johnny English! :lol:
10-25-2011 08:42 AM
Jean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zagreus

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brice

I think there are merits in both sort of actors. I admire versatility, but isn't necessarily bad to know what you do best and focus on that either.

Exactly! Just look at Rowan Atkinson. J/K because I actually love Mr. Bean :cowboy:

Guessing you're not a Blackadder fan, then?

rofl, that's what I started typing as a reply...
10-25-2011 09:36 AM
alkanto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zagreus

Sorry if that sounds like having a go, I'm not, I'm just saying that, surprisingly, Atkinson really is good at more than one type of role. Oh, and the end of series 4 proves that he can be a great actor at times. Just not in films like Johnny English! :lol:

It's funny you mention Johnny English...I saw a trailer for that(JE Reborn, that is) for the first time on my television yesterday! It looks...interesting. Yet I find myself oddly intrigued... :lol:
10-25-2011 11:48 AM
pathoftheturtle

Definitely good to consider our standards. Cause, you know, we already had a Best Character contest. Best Actor should be judged by different qualities.
10-26-2011 07:41 AM
fernandito

This group is closing today !
10-26-2011 07:45 AM
Jean

no surprises here...
10-26-2011 02:29 PM
fernandito

Robert De Niro advances !