speaking of which, let's get that sucker in here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP0cUBi4hwE
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speaking of which, let's get that sucker in here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP0cUBi4hwE
Well, I didn't like Bean at first. In Ender's Shadow I mean. Too complicated discussions, too much cruelty and murders commited by children - again. I'm glad at least Bean didn't kill anyone :D But then after Dragons it was absolutely different for me, especially Bean's attitude towards Ender.
And finally I found Ender's Shadow more perfect than Ender's Game... Much deeper.
Hi, Harrison!
I posted the trailer in the movie trailer thread, too. I think it looks amazing, but I'm a little confused because it looks likeSpoiler: 05-17-2013 06:43 PMharrison ryanHey-HEY-hey!
Yeah, not sure what's up with the spoilery. Maybe it's not what it looks like...? 05-17-2013 10:05 PMFox92 05-18-2013 06:26 AMKa-maiYes, but I have a dislike of movie trailers that show all the best stuff and then when you get to the movie everything is either average or something you've seen. I just don't want it to be one of those situations. 05-18-2013 07:23 AMharrison ryan 05-18-2013 10:36 AMJeandoes anyone else (except the Fox :rose:) think that bears might like the series? I've looked through the wiki article and was intimidated 05-18-2013 12:03 PMpathoftheturtleDon't be. It's a light novel on one level; no one will pressure you, I'm sure, to delve into the whole mythos. I'd say have a go, whenever. 05-18-2013 05:01 PMJohn Blaze 05-18-2013 09:55 PMJean 05-20-2013 09:52 AMfernanditoThe first novel is an extremely light read, but the groundwork is laid out for some of the series' more dense, philosophical elements. 05-20-2013 10:16 AMJeanI see... bears intensely dislike dense, philosophical elements in fiction. I will have a go at the first book, though. 05-20-2013 10:20 AMfernanditoIt's not too bad, it's just that in comparison to the first novel it's denser.
Why don't you like fiction with some philosophy in there? It seems that if any genre is ripe for mining it it would be fiction. Sphere is a great example, I think. 05-20-2013 10:27 AMJeaneverything depends on how explicitly it is presented 05-20-2013 05:18 PMpathoftheturtleDense philosophy is mined in certain non-fiction if you've a taste for explicit explication. 05-20-2013 10:02 PMJeanYes. And while it's just what is expected of non-fiction, with fiction it's just the other way round and only exposes the author as lacking the talent to provoke his readers thinking for themselves 05-21-2013 03:59 AMpathoftheturtle 05-21-2013 06:17 AMJeanI don't think I said anything complicated (or profound, or anything I didn't say before). I mean, if in DT3 we read (quoted by heart)
Spoiler:
it's one thing; namely, something we've been thinking, talking, arguing, crying, tormenting ourselves about for decades. If we had to read speculations, however interesting, clever and deep, on the meaning of sacrifice and what it does to human soul and what are values and what is or isn't worth what - it would be quite another, totally out of place in a work of fiction, and not 0.00001 per cent as effective.
I do have to read Card, of course. I will when I come back from my travels (mid-June) 05-21-2013 02:00 PMpathoftheturtleI know you have said this before. And we've argued a little. You can certainly point to clear examples that support the standard; passages which are poetic and layered versus ones which are blunt and narrow. Yet there are grey areas; that's what makes it complicated. Especially in science fiction, religious fiction, certain others.
The truth is that authors who approach universal themes in a drama, no matter how talented, always to some degree remain locked in their own perspective. We all do. Some know it, others don't... and whether you get that or not isn't always even the most important factor in presenting something of value, I think.
At times I may say, "This guy plainly has a point of view in what he's written here that might be untrue, but I still see more going on. Among all the writers who have slightly closed minds, this one is fairly bright in some ways." I don't know about you, though.
Reading pulp, I've developed a thicker skin overall -- the gems in the refuse are actually few and far between. Sometimes I wonder whether it's worth all the lifetime I have spent on it. As youths, we kind of assume that the creators behind what you can see in publication all have noble intentions; eventually we understand that they have many different motives. And most people are pretty rotten, from my own point of view. I acknowledge now that much of what I read could be categorized as "slightly closed" and "somewhat preachy." Whether it would be better to avoid this category altogether and actually read only Shakespeare, I haven't decided. 05-22-2013 12:16 PMJeangrrr, Mike, why do we always have to start the most interesting discussions primo: in the wrong threads, and secundo: when I have to go away?
I'll be back in three weeks (I hope I'll be able to check the site time to time, but not to write anything coherent) 05-23-2013 05:42 AMpathoftheturtleBon voyage. You can talk to me any time. On threads about all different books and works of art, I keep drifting into the subjects of Books and Artwork. Maybe I'm lost. But really, I'm just trying to answer: some authors are talented, some are not talented, Orson Scott Card is in somewhere between the best and the worst.