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Shit, I still need to watch Attack the Block. And dammit, now we've got space monkeys involved. This conversation is rapidly turning into a 2000AD story!
According to South Park, Orcas (and I'm assuming other whales) fail in space http://i.imgur.com/qLW0W.png
09-11-2014 03:52 PMHeather19 09-11-2014 05:28 PMT-Dogz_AK47You haven't even watched Citizen Kane, so how the fuck can you say that those films are incomparable to it? This is just another example of you forcing opinionated shit down people's throats when you know absolutely nothing about the film you are preaching about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
Yet you phrased it that Prometheus and Avatar were comparable to Citizen Kane, good or bad, they are incomparable.
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Have you even watched One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest? Or is that just another movie you have left to "marinate"? First off, Jack Nicholson doesn't scream his head off in a straight jacket anywhere in the movie, nor does he just "flop around". The fact that you would post such a comment just shows that you are completely ignorant about the film. I suggest you actually watch the movie before spouting such opinionated crap.
So you watched an 18 certificate film at the age of 10 (thus being too young to fully understand or appreciate it) and a few times since. When since exactly? Last week? Last month? Last year? Or when you were 12? Considering that you earlier stated that Jack Nicholson spent his time in the movie "flopping around on screen, screaming his head off in a straight jacket", I highly doubt you have seen it properly at all. Even if you did watch it as a kid, you obviously didn't have a clue as to what was going on in the movie - because if you had, you wouldn't have spouted such utter shit in your post.Quote:
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I saw it for the first time when I was ten. Seen it a few times since then. I think in terms of Milos Forman's films I like Amadeus more. So no, I am not completely ignorant about the film
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your comment that "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time" is based on what exactly? I bet you haven't even seen two of his movies, if any at all!
Just as I predicted. Laurence Olivier starred in over 60 movies throughout his career and yet you have only watched ONE of them, but act as if you know everything about his acting style and ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
I am pretty sure Rebecca is the only film I've seen him in but he was goddamn fantastic
So your argument concerning Laurence Olivier's acting skills is based on what other people have told you and what you have probably read in a Roger Ebert review? Wow! I guess that makes you quite the expert then? LOL! LOL!Quote:
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Let me get this straight. I say: "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time", and then you say, "is based on what exactly?"; to answer that here is my quote again, with the part of my quote that answers the question you just asked: "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time" My uncle raves about Olivier. One of my best friends Will RAVES about Olivier. The Academy raved about Olivier (13 nominations...he must suck!). A LOT of people rave about him.
Yes I have seen The Conversation. In fact I have seen it nearly a dozen times. Gene Hackman is one of my favourite actors.Quote:
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As for Apocalypse now, I haven't seen Apocalypse now but I've watched Coppola's The Conversation five times....have you seen it once?
Let me give you a tip. I have been watching movies before you were even born, so don't bother trying to be a smart ass about what movies I may or may not have watched.
Now go home and get your fucking shinebox!!! :shoot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pQ6fd6iO_c 09-11-2014 06:05 PMMattrickThey are comparable, then? Prometheus is about humans going across space trying to discover the origins of mankind, Avatar is about a soldier infiltrating an alien species using an avatar identity; Citizen Kane is about a wealthy newspaper publisher based on a real wealthy newspaper publisher named William Hearst (who was none to happy and tried to get the film outright banned): now, I haven't seen Citizen Kane so I guess I must not know about the alien planets and alien species and extended action sequences it has, which must be why they are so comparable.
Sigh, obviously you don't understand the concept of hyperbole. I was drawing conclusions over your claims of 'realistic acting' and citing Cuckoo's Nest as an example and Nicholsons very kinetic performance in it, compared the very stoic, brooding performance of Olivier in Rebecca so yes, by saying he was flopping around in a straight jacket I was making a swooping generalisation of an insane person in an insitution because it starkly contrasts Olivier performance in Rebecca...I suppose some people just can't perceive wit. The last time I watched Cuckoo's Nest was about four or five years ago, I've also read the book. I don't own it so it's been a when I can kind of watch. And yes, I haven't seen it properly. And yes, I understood what was happening when I was a kid. I was a child genius who was very grown up and was thus allowed to watch a film like Schindler's List when I was seven (which I chose to watch several more times as a kid, because it was so good).Quote:
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Have you even watched One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest? Or is that just another movie you have left to "marinate"? First off, Jack Nicholson doesn't scream his head off in a straight jacket anywhere in the movie, nor does he just "flop around". The fact that you would post such a comment just shows that you are completely ignorant about the film. I suggest you actually watch the movie before spouting such opinionated crap.
So you watched an 18 certificate film at the age of 10 (thus being too young to fully understand or appreciate it) and a few times since. When since exactly? Last week? Last month? Last year? Or when you were 12? Considering that you earlier stated that Jack Nicholson spent his time in the movie "flopping around on screen, screaming his head off in a straight jacket", I highly doubt you have seen it properly at all. Even if you did watch it as a kid, you obviously didn't have a clue as to what was going on in the movie - because if you had, you wouldn't have spouted such utter shit in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
I saw it for the first time when I was ten. Seen it a few times since then. I think in terms of Milos Forman's films I like Amadeus more. So no, I am not completely ignorant about the film
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Originally Posted by T-Dogz_AK47
your comment that "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time" is based on what exactly? I bet you haven't even seen two of his movies, if any at all!
Just as I predicted. Laurence Olivier starred in over 60 movies throughout his career and yet you have only watched ONE of them, but act as if you know everything about his acting style and ability.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
I am pretty sure Rebecca is the only film I've seen him in but he was goddamn fantastic
I never claimed I knew everything about his acting style or ability: you did. And technically, looking at his filmography, I've watched Spartacus and Marathon Man in addition to Rebecca, which means since you bet I haven't even seen two of his roles, when I've seen three, means you are wrong again.
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Let me get this straight. I say: "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time", and then you say, "is based on what exactly?"; to answer that here is my quote again, with the part of my quote that answers the question you just asked: "Laurence Olivier is considered by many people to be one of, if the not the greatest, actor of all time" My uncle raves about Olivier. One of my best friends Will RAVES about Olivier. The Academy raved about Olivier (13 nominations...he must suck!). A LOT of people rave about him.
I never said I was an expert on Olivier: again, you did. All I did was cite PUBLIC OPINION which is therefore NOT MY OPINION. An analogy I can render is one we've discussed; Citizen Kane was at the top o the AFI film list forever until Vertigo (which I've seen) usurped it in 2012, now, if I were to say "Citizen Kane is considered by many people to be one of, if not the greatest, film ever made", does this mean I think I am an expert because I haven't seen it? No, I'm citing PUBLIC OPINION. Now if I said of said 'Laurence Olivier is the greatest actor of all time' or 'I think Olivier is the greatest actor of all time' you would have a case, but no, I clearly stated that opinion was not my opinion but PUBLIC OPINION, which it is.Quote:
So your argument concerning Laurence Olivier's acting skills is based on what other people have told you and what you have probably read in a Roger Ebert review? Wow! I guess that makes you quite the expert then? LOL! LOL!
Yes I have seen The Conversation. In fact I have seen it nearly a dozen times. Gene Hackman is one of my favourite actors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
As for Apocalypse now, I haven't seen Apocalypse now but I've watched Coppola's The Conversation five times....have you seen it once?
Let me give you a tip. I have been watching movies before you were even born, so don't bother trying to be a smart ass about what movies I may or may not have watched.[/quote]
Congratulations on being older than me, that must have taken a lot of work. If you don't want me to be a smart ass about what movies I may or may not have watched, don't be a smart ass to me about what movies I may or may not have watched. Unless you're one of those, 'do as I say not do as I do' kind of people. 09-11-2014 11:47 PMJean 09-12-2014 02:01 AMDoctorDodgeMine too. And that ending is still so powerful. "Who'd notice a madman around here?" 09-12-2014 02:57 AMT-Dogz_AK47Posting such utter bollocks is just making you sound even more ignorant of the subject in question. If you had bothered to read my earlier post properly, instead of just flying off on some tangent about aliens and shit, you would have realised that I was referring to the fact that Citizen Kane favoured aesthetic photography and technical achievement (style) over narrative drive and storytelling (substance).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattrick
They are comparable, then? Prometheus is about humans going across space trying to discover the origins of mankind, Avatar is about a soldier infiltrating an alien species using an avatar identity; Citizen Kane is about a wealthy newspaper publisher based on a real wealthy newspaper publisher named William Hearst (who was none to happy and tried to get the film outright banned): now, I haven't seen Citizen Kane so I guess I must not know about the alien planets and alien species and extended action sequences it has, which must be why they are so comparable.
As Avatar and Prometheus were both criticised for sacrificing storytelling over visual effects and photography, both films can therefore be deemed comparable to Citizen Kane in terms of the on-going 'style vs substance' debate that continues to this very day.
Here look, I have even re-posted an excerpt from my earlier post for you....
Maybe if you actually watched Citizen Kane instead of posting smart ass comments and forcing ill-informed opinions down people's throats, you might be able to add something that is constructive to the conversation.Quote:
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Granted, there were some technical achievements pioneered within the film, but if the story is boring, everything else becomes irrelevant.
Basically, films such as Citizen Kane embody the exact same style vs substance debate that still rages to this very day, encapsulating it just as perfectly as every flashy film that chooses to let the cool new toys and tricks far outweigh any of the other considerations that make up a good movie - aka Avatar or Prometheus to name just two.
I do understand the concept of hyperbole, but I also understand and recognise when someone is talking out of their ass on a subject they know very little about.Quote:
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Sigh, obviously you don't understand the concept of hyperbole.
My point exactly. You have just confirmed what was so obviously apparent.Quote:
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The last time I watched Cuckoo's Nest was about four or five years ago, I've also read the book. I don't own it so it's been a when I can kind of watch. And yes, I haven't seen it properly.
FFS! LOL!Quote:
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I was a child genius
Wow! You've (maybe) watched 3 films starring Laurence Olivier. I'm impressed. No really, I am! LOL!Quote:
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And technically, looking at his filmography, I've watched Spartacus and Marathon Man in addition to Rebecca, which means since you bet I haven't even seen two of his roles, when I've seen three, means you are wrong again.
So what are you looking for here exactly? A medal? Personally, I like the way you suddenly pulled these two films from out of your ass when you earlier said "I am pretty sure Rebecca is the only film I've seen him in." Both Spartacus and Marathon Man are both very memorable films, so it seems very odd that you would forget that you watched them when posting that earlier comment.
I tell you what, if you can post a review of either Spartacus or Marathon Man on this forum, which include some personal insights into the movie and not something ripped off of the internet or from an old Roger Ebert review, I will gladly accept that you have watched and understood them. How's that?
However, I have watched both Spartacus and Marathon Man myself several times, so be aware that I will know if you attempt to rip something off from the internet.
Again, my point exactly. Instead of having to rely on other people's opinion to make your point, why don't you actually watch some of these movies so you can develop your own original ideas?Quote:
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All I did was cite PUBLIC OPINION which is therefore NOT MY OPINION. An analogy I can render is one we've discussed; Citizen Kane was at the top o the AFI film list forever until Vertigo (which I've seen) usurped it in 2012, now, if I were to say "Citizen Kane is considered by many people to be one of, if not the greatest, film ever made", does this mean I think I am an expert because I haven't seen it? No, I'm citing PUBLIC OPINION. Now if I said of said 'Laurence Olivier is the greatest actor of all time' or 'I think Olivier is the greatest actor of all time' you would have a case, but no, I clearly stated that opinion was not my opinion but PUBLIC OPINION, which it is.
You would certainly gain more respect if your posts weren't so vehemently opinionated on subjects you know nothing or very little about. Consistently relying on public opinion, what friends have told you or old Roger Ebert reviews to put your arguments across, only goes to highlight your lack of personal insight.
I am not going to continue to argue with you Mattrick, because quite frankly, I am bored with the situation and I have better things to do with my time. Goodbye and good luck! 09-12-2014 11:31 AMMattrickYou should use your time trying to find a clue. You know you've lost and your posts have that 'nails digging into a wooden floor' kind of vibe. You're the only one who thinks I'm some kind of cinema phony while a lot of the regular posters have known me for close to a decade and know I'm not. Good luck with your inane witch hunt! I'd go through your post and reply to each part but that would be as pointless as that wall's attempt to hold in Chief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxYA6duF-9E 09-12-2014 02:14 PMDoctorDodgeWas that a tv spot for Stallone's Judge Dredd movie? ;) 09-16-2014 12:48 PMJean