That Thing, You Can Only Talk About If You've Finished the Series

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basically says that the old ones decided to destroy the old tower and to rebuild the world, and when they struck the tower with thier axes and hammers, and crack opened in the earth, and hoardes of creatures from todash or sumpin' spewed forth, free to roam and ravage the countryside.

i bet next time he restarts he wished he had a bloody 4x4 so he could drive up to walter and shot him in his fucking head.

Oh yeah i 'member that.

I think he tried to shoot him and missed which kind of speaks to the theory.

I believe in the Tower as a physical thing but I also believe that reaching it has something to do with reaching inside yourself.

Meaning the entire thing is Roland--like Turtles, its Roland all the way down.

Whoa Matt, you're blowing my mind here. :panic:

No, it does'nt work for me.
There's more to this than just Roland.

Its just mine anyway --I don't expect anyone to agree. :couple:

I truly believe that the entire thing is a commentary about obsession and the recesses of the human soul. And technically, that can be a very physical place with physical people.

Oh yeah, I remember something like that now. Can't remember where abouts it is tho.

Good excuse to read the series again. woo!

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Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse

No, it does'nt work for me.
There's more to this than just Roland.

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Strongly agreed. A lot more.

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Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse

No, it does'nt work for me.
There's more to this than just Roland.

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Yeah theres us....:huglove:

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Originally Posted by alinda

Yeah theres us....:huglove:

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Who??

Or maybe we can go in a completely new direction and just say that it was all a dream? ;)
But if it were really Roland that was making everything happen, why would Walter O'Dim mess with Roland throughout his whole trip, or really, mainly just in the beginning when he had his affair with Roland's mom?

I'M SORRY THIS IS IN the wrong place but i'm doin it from my phone. just noticed i won a draw woohoo.. congrats to all who won.. shall be online soon :)

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In the books, I don't think there was any mention of an 'old Tower' (that'd contradict the ending for sure.) There is mention of beam portals as substitute cyborg guardians (i.e. Shardik, Maturin et al.)

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As for actually attacking the Tower itself, that is mentioned in one of the back stories to Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born.

So the guardians are machines, doors are machines and pretty much everything up until the Tower is a machine. Why wouldn't the Tower be a machine?

PS, would you mind if I added a poll to this thread?

okay, now i'm confused as hell. are we talking about walter or are we now going to talk about the tower itself?

and letti - personally, i don't mind if you add a poll but i've just been in the background of the discussion (kind of afraid to put my toe in).

It should be about Walter but things are so connected in this series thaz it happens quite often that new topics start to grow quickly (it's good and natural).

But yeah, there are tons of thread about the Tower so we should go there with the ideas of it.

I'm going with delah as well. I don't think he's anywhere near ready to "complete" his quest, but I think he moved a lot closer this time around. I also think that each time around is not necessarily an advancement, e.g. he can fuck it up worse and move further away.

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Originally Posted by Power Surge

So the guardians are machines, doors are machines and pretty much everything up until the Tower is a machine. Why wouldn't the Tower be a machine?

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Have you read the last book?

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There is strong indication there that it is not. Oh, and not all the doors are machines.

EDIT- Sorry Letti, I posted this before reading your post.

Still it's a response to a question above so hope I'll leave it as is... hope that's ok.

Woofer, I agree with that. I don't think he is ready to end his quest so he keeps following the loop.

::wonders. Sings::

...Could you
Ask
As much
From any other man?...

And I think SK's telling would be the penultimate time. Not because of the horn, but because Roland so nearly found something worth giving up the Tower for this time. In fact, the most touching moment for me was Jake's death. Roland actively decides to sacrifice himself, and thus his now utterly personal (the Tower having been saved if King doesn't die) quest, to save King INSTEAD of Jake. Ka intervenes. That was the one thing that annoyed me at that point: Ka punishes Roland at the end of the book, but earlier on he had made a definite decision to put his adopted son above his obsession. That is the cruellest thing in the series, for me.

If Ka is punishing him on those terms, then surely he has redeemed himself, at least momentarily, on one of two occasions during the loop itself where he gets to choose between Tower and Love? It is significant, as well, that both times involved the same person, the love for a son, not a wife etc. Does that imply that on Roland's eventual success (we hope), he succeeds by NOT sacrificing Jake at the start of his quest?

Very Well said. Indigo Seven.