Poor, poor Song of Susannah! I love this book and it is in my favorites in the series just below Wolves and I felt that it needed it's own fan thread! Come and give this book the love that it deserves! :huglove:
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Poor, poor Song of Susannah! I love this book and it is in my favorites in the series just below Wolves and I felt that it needed it's own fan thread! Come and give this book the love that it deserves! :huglove:
I loved the whole part with Reverand Earl Harrigan, he is one of my favorite minor characters of the saga. "GAWD BOMB" is now a household phrase for me.
Just before the Gawd Bomb scene (which was great), Jake yelling in the street at the cabbie was fantastic!
I just rented the audio from the library. I need the refresher :lol:
I love every word of this book. It's my fourth favorite, leaving The Gunslinger and W&G far behind, and DT7 somewhat behind.
I don't understand the hatred for this book, either. It's not my favorite, but it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it.
This one just didn't do it for me. The whole thing with Susannah and Mia was way too dragged out for my taste. This one is probably my least favorite of the whole series.
I agree with that. I believe we already knew that Suse could house an alternate personality and didn't need an entire book to explain it to us.
Roland and Eddie at the gas station though, that was hot shit.
Oh yeah, I loved the shootout at the gas station. Way cool. :D
The shoot out was really great. As my best friend said "It's probably the most action packed part of the saga" and I agree with him.
I loved Book VI. I think it gets a bad rap for having King introduce himself as a character/deus ex machina.
Despite that, it's probably my third or fourth favourite (Books I, II, and IV are all in the Top 4).
C'mon people show love for Suze!
guys, please, don't overdo the spoilers! AllHail, it's not that all mentioned events are to be spoiler-boxed. I removed the boxes from your previous post. These facts do not reveal anybody's death, or the ending (which is defined as major spoiers), or anything about book 7. They are just events, please, let's not reduce the existing spoiler policy ad absurdum. The policy doesn't imply that we can't discuss in the open anything about a book when we are in this book's forum.
On topic: AllHail, if he was deus ex machina in the first event you've mentioned (the key), then everyone who helps other characters or is instrumental in their achieving their aim is one. Take anyone - aunt Talitha or that grandfather from Wolves, or of course Callahan. In the second event, he didn't do anything at all. He might as well not have left anything in the bathroom. Susannah was a gunslinger, remember?
Okay, I was just trying to go with what I thought the policy was..
Actually that's not true, Stephen King is a divine conduit and so him causing things to happen to help the ka-tet at certains times is the very definition of "deus ex machina" and is not the same as regular help from others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
In fact King even puts that in his letter to Susannah "Here comes the deus ex machina" and here is the definition from the American Heritage Dictionary..
deus ex ma·chi·na (ěks mä'kə-nə, -nä', māk'ə-nə) Pronunciation Key
n.
In Greek and Roman drama, a god lowered by stage machinery to resolve a plot or extricate the protagonist from a difficult situation.
An unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot.
A person or event that provides a sudden and unexpected solution to a difficulty.
that is called petitio principii, no? You base your argument on the very thing that is yet to be proved.Quote:
Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King
Oh please. Walter/Marten/Flagg says that he is Oz the great and terrible, which he is not.Quote:
In fact King even puts that in his letter to Susannah "Here comes the deus ex machina"
Thank you for the definition. Now you probably see that King doesn't fit any of its points. The main idea of deus ex machina is his not being intrinsically connected with the events, his intervention being something authors have to fall back upon when they have no natural solution, resulting from the flow of events. My point is that everything King does in the series is interconnected with all other developments, and intrinsically connected with the way universes are organized around the Dark Tower. It is an internal part of the whole, not something imposed upon it from the outside.
I'm not sure if you saw my post before yours. Looks like we posted right on top of each other.
I've edited mine accordingly
Alright Jean I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.